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		<title>By: Dorthea Hofer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorthea Hofer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 21:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.<br />
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		<title>By: oilandgarlic</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post. What I like about this post and differentiates from many posts on this topic is that you point out the difference between opting out in your 20s vs. opting out late in life. I know many women who have opted out in their mid to late 30s. Going back to work 5-10 years from now is not easy when you&#039;re that old.

Also, people always calculate their missed earnings inaccurately. They will probably not earn as much upon returning and also lose the benefits of accruing interest on their earnings (if they had continued working).  

I guess it&#039;s no question that where I fall on this debate. While I respect both choices, I feel that many opt out for the wrong reasons or without fully weighing the financial consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post. What I like about this post and differentiates from many posts on this topic is that you point out the difference between opting out in your 20s vs. opting out late in life. I know many women who have opted out in their mid to late 30s. Going back to work 5-10 years from now is not easy when you&#8217;re that old.</p>
<p>Also, people always calculate their missed earnings inaccurately. They will probably not earn as much upon returning and also lose the benefits of accruing interest on their earnings (if they had continued working).  </p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s no question that where I fall on this debate. While I respect both choices, I feel that many opt out for the wrong reasons or without fully weighing the financial consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Margulis</title>
		<link>http://thehappiestmom.com/?p=906&#038;cpage=1#comment-2497</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Margulis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think these questions are so hard though some women seem really clear about wanting to be home full-time or wanting to work full-time and not being able to deal with being home. I know I&#039;m not totally clear on it. I think we can get so isolated in our society without extended family around to help out. I know that I really appreciate being as much a part of my kids&#039; education as I can with a flexible schedule (going on field trips, volunteering in class), which is not something I could do if I had a more traditional job (I work from home and make a living as a writer). I thought I wanted to be home ALL THE TIME and not work when my girls were little but when my husband got a job that had him leaving before sunrise and not home until half an hour before they went to bed, I practically had a nervous breakdown. I was not a good mom when I was on duty 18 hours a day and he was miserable not seeing the kids and getting to spend time with them...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think these questions are so hard though some women seem really clear about wanting to be home full-time or wanting to work full-time and not being able to deal with being home. I know I&#8217;m not totally clear on it. I think we can get so isolated in our society without extended family around to help out. I know that I really appreciate being as much a part of my kids&#8217; education as I can with a flexible schedule (going on field trips, volunteering in class), which is not something I could do if I had a more traditional job (I work from home and make a living as a writer). I thought I wanted to be home ALL THE TIME and not work when my girls were little but when my husband got a job that had him leaving before sunrise and not home until half an hour before they went to bed, I practically had a nervous breakdown. I was not a good mom when I was on duty 18 hours a day and he was miserable not seeing the kids and getting to spend time with them&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tracey</title>
		<link>http://thehappiestmom.com/?p=906&#038;cpage=1#comment-2496</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 03:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had 3 children and stopped for maternity leave for 6 months for each.

I have been working since leaving Uni (graduated with my husband) 16 years ago.  My biggest motivation for going to Uni was that my best friend&#039;s mother had to wash dishes for a living in order to escape an abusive husband and for her to support her kids 

I have been both ahead of my husband and behind him on the career front.  With every new job opportunity we have discussed who&#039;s job is no. 1 and who&#039;s is no. 2.  This blantant discussion was required because our children were in full time day care / school and it needed to be clear who would need to take time off work when they were sick.  Quite often we would meet on the highway between workplaces to swap because of a meeting/commitment that the other had.

I ended up having my dream job at 34 yo - but it was massive and there were legal issues that needed to be dealt with (the company were breaking the law and although I wasn&#039;t a director so wouldn&#039;t be sitting in jail if it came to light, I am an honest person).  We disussed ways to leave that would not be too obvious (we lived in a place where you stay in a job for 3 - 10 years as it was where everyone wanted to live/work in my industry). 

We decided to live overseas.  My husband got a promotion within his company in the move.  I worked full time for the first year, but as my company weren&#039;t paying for international schooling for 3 kids, housing and medical (US$100+ pa), his job is no 1 and my company know it (made very clear before I accepted job).  My job is same level as the job in Aus, but with reputable company - much less stress but still very good on a resume. 

For the past 2 years I cut the hours back to 2 days at the office, 2 days from home/part time office.  Fridays is my day of helping at school, bookclub, haircut, seeing friends etc.    So 3 days a week I am at home when the kids get home from school.

None of this would have been possible if I had quit work after having my first child 10 years ago.  I have such a cushy job now because I worked so hard for the first 13 years of my career AND because I was in a position to negotiate because my husband had also worked so hard for the first 13 years of his career.  Our accomplishments are a joint effort and have been since sharing a full time bar job for our last 3 years at Uni.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had 3 children and stopped for maternity leave for 6 months for each.</p>
<p>I have been working since leaving Uni (graduated with my husband) 16 years ago.  My biggest motivation for going to Uni was that my best friend&#8217;s mother had to wash dishes for a living in order to escape an abusive husband and for her to support her kids </p>
<p>I have been both ahead of my husband and behind him on the career front.  With every new job opportunity we have discussed who&#8217;s job is no. 1 and who&#8217;s is no. 2.  This blantant discussion was required because our children were in full time day care / school and it needed to be clear who would need to take time off work when they were sick.  Quite often we would meet on the highway between workplaces to swap because of a meeting/commitment that the other had.</p>
<p>I ended up having my dream job at 34 yo &#8211; but it was massive and there were legal issues that needed to be dealt with (the company were breaking the law and although I wasn&#8217;t a director so wouldn&#8217;t be sitting in jail if it came to light, I am an honest person).  We disussed ways to leave that would not be too obvious (we lived in a place where you stay in a job for 3 &#8211; 10 years as it was where everyone wanted to live/work in my industry). </p>
<p>We decided to live overseas.  My husband got a promotion within his company in the move.  I worked full time for the first year, but as my company weren&#8217;t paying for international schooling for 3 kids, housing and medical (US$100+ pa), his job is no 1 and my company know it (made very clear before I accepted job).  My job is same level as the job in Aus, but with reputable company &#8211; much less stress but still very good on a resume. </p>
<p>For the past 2 years I cut the hours back to 2 days at the office, 2 days from home/part time office.  Fridays is my day of helping at school, bookclub, haircut, seeing friends etc.    So 3 days a week I am at home when the kids get home from school.</p>
<p>None of this would have been possible if I had quit work after having my first child 10 years ago.  I have such a cushy job now because I worked so hard for the first 13 years of my career AND because I was in a position to negotiate because my husband had also worked so hard for the first 13 years of his career.  Our accomplishments are a joint effort and have been since sharing a full time bar job for our last 3 years at Uni.</p>
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		<title>By: Healthy Moms Network</title>
		<link>http://thehappiestmom.com/?p=906&#038;cpage=1#comment-2495</link>
		<dc:creator>Healthy Moms Network</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We love your blog! I invite you to join our new network, The Healthy Moms Network. Meet mom bloggers just like you and find new readers. Check out our site or drop me an e mail for more information.</p>
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		<title>By: Meagan Francis</title>
		<link>http://thehappiestmom.com/?p=906&#038;cpage=1#comment-2494</link>
		<dc:creator>Meagan Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally getting a chance to respond to these comments...it&#039;s been a busy week! Thanks to everyone for weighing in. It seems like this is something most of you have given thought to, which I find encouraging. I&#039;m glad to know that moms know it&#039;s not selfish to put their own financial futures high on the family priority list.

I&#039;ve seen a few at-home moms talk about how they feel financially secure (little or no debt, a fat savings account, etc). Not to put too fine a point on it, but how do you make &quot;OUR financial security&quot; translate into &quot;MY financial security&quot;? Has anyone gone so far as to establish a trust in your name or set up some kind of legal agreement protecting yourself in case of death, divorce, etc?

For those of you who aren&#039;t in the workforce (and who won&#039;t be for a while) I&#039;d love to hear how you keep your skills sharp. It seems like the Internet has made it more possible than ever to stay on top of emerging trends and keep connections with people in your field, even when you aren&#039;t working in that field. How can moms really take advantage of that?

A couple of years ago there was a story about a woman who took serious time off to raise her kids, and then stepped back in as, I think, CEO of a Fortune 500 company. Anyone remember this story, or the company? Seems her story could be a case study for how to take the time off you and your family need while still protecting your future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally getting a chance to respond to these comments&#8230;it&#8217;s been a busy week! Thanks to everyone for weighing in. It seems like this is something most of you have given thought to, which I find encouraging. I&#8217;m glad to know that moms know it&#8217;s not selfish to put their own financial futures high on the family priority list.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen a few at-home moms talk about how they feel financially secure (little or no debt, a fat savings account, etc). Not to put too fine a point on it, but how do you make &#8220;OUR financial security&#8221; translate into &#8220;MY financial security&#8221;? Has anyone gone so far as to establish a trust in your name or set up some kind of legal agreement protecting yourself in case of death, divorce, etc?</p>
<p>For those of you who aren&#8217;t in the workforce (and who won&#8217;t be for a while) I&#8217;d love to hear how you keep your skills sharp. It seems like the Internet has made it more possible than ever to stay on top of emerging trends and keep connections with people in your field, even when you aren&#8217;t working in that field. How can moms really take advantage of that?</p>
<p>A couple of years ago there was a story about a woman who took serious time off to raise her kids, and then stepped back in as, I think, CEO of a Fortune 500 company. Anyone remember this story, or the company? Seems her story could be a case study for how to take the time off you and your family need while still protecting your future.</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie @ Mel, A Dramatic Mommy</title>
		<link>http://thehappiestmom.com/?p=906&#038;cpage=1#comment-2492</link>
		<dc:creator>Melanie @ Mel, A Dramatic Mommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 05:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The types of things you addressed are precisely why I think about going back to work. I talk with my husband about our finances and have told him repeatedly that if the burden on him get to be too much just say the word and I&#039;ll go find a job. 

My issue is that, if I go back, I can&#039;t see myself working just *anywhere.* I strted working at 15 and I&#039;ve been helping other people &quot;get rich&quot; since then while at times putting my family in the poor house (I had to work when our son was born, hubs made more money but I had the health insurance. Childcare cost left us in a deficit every month).

I&#039;m trying to channel Oprah and thinking that finding something I love will make the money follow. I see the benefit being at home has had on our son. But my retirement portfolio and the gap in my resume are both equally frightening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The types of things you addressed are precisely why I think about going back to work. I talk with my husband about our finances and have told him repeatedly that if the burden on him get to be too much just say the word and I&#8217;ll go find a job. </p>
<p>My issue is that, if I go back, I can&#8217;t see myself working just *anywhere.* I strted working at 15 and I&#8217;ve been helping other people &#8220;get rich&#8221; since then while at times putting my family in the poor house (I had to work when our son was born, hubs made more money but I had the health insurance. Childcare cost left us in a deficit every month).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to channel Oprah and thinking that finding something I love will make the money follow. I see the benefit being at home has had on our son. But my retirement portfolio and the gap in my resume are both equally frightening.</p>
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		<title>By: Boston Mamas</title>
		<link>http://thehappiestmom.com/?p=906&#038;cpage=1#comment-2491</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet another thoughtful and balanced post M. I think about this issue a lot as well. To be quite frank (and bleak...sorry), my worry center comes from having seen domestic abuse victims stay with the abuser because they felt trapped due to the financial situation. The cases I&#039;m thinking of involve women who have been out of the workplace a long time and have kids; the concept of making a run for it, and then also figuring out what to do with the kids and the work scenario are overwhelming. It&#039;s so, so sad. They&#039;re still there.

Save maternity leave, I haven&#039;t ever not worked so I can only speak from that side of things. But I do think that women should always be confident in their ability to provide for themselves, and keep up their skills so they can re-enter at any time. Also, these days there are various programs to help women relaunch into the workforce. 

-Christine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet another thoughtful and balanced post M. I think about this issue a lot as well. To be quite frank (and bleak&#8230;sorry), my worry center comes from having seen domestic abuse victims stay with the abuser because they felt trapped due to the financial situation. The cases I&#8217;m thinking of involve women who have been out of the workplace a long time and have kids; the concept of making a run for it, and then also figuring out what to do with the kids and the work scenario are overwhelming. It&#8217;s so, so sad. They&#8217;re still there.</p>
<p>Save maternity leave, I haven&#8217;t ever not worked so I can only speak from that side of things. But I do think that women should always be confident in their ability to provide for themselves, and keep up their skills so they can re-enter at any time. Also, these days there are various programs to help women relaunch into the workforce. </p>
<p>-Christine</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://thehappiestmom.com/?p=906&#038;cpage=1#comment-2490</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article that addresses my husband&#039;s and my current situation:  older first-time parents (ages 40 &amp; 53) who value the SAH parent, but who must face their own situation of small retirement accounts (me because I stayed in grad-school too long then spent another 4 years as a contractor in the boom-and-bust dot.com economy in Texas; he because before our marriage was a small-town, self-employed attorney).  Now we both work in state government and have a chance at modest state pensions IF we stay with the system for the next couple of decades. An equally well-educated friend, whose husband had a very good and supposedly stable job, &quot;opted-out&quot; when they adopted two children.   He was laid off and she has spent the last year desperate to find work.  8 years of meaningful volunteer work both through her children&#039;s schools and in professional societies unfortunately has not helped her resume.  I&#039;m terrified of the same thing happening to me. Therefore I am continuing full-time work. Maybe if I were 15 years younger and the job market less precarious I&#039;d feel I had more viable options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article that addresses my husband&#8217;s and my current situation:  older first-time parents (ages 40 &amp; 53) who value the SAH parent, but who must face their own situation of small retirement accounts (me because I stayed in grad-school too long then spent another 4 years as a contractor in the boom-and-bust dot.com economy in Texas; he because before our marriage was a small-town, self-employed attorney).  Now we both work in state government and have a chance at modest state pensions IF we stay with the system for the next couple of decades. An equally well-educated friend, whose husband had a very good and supposedly stable job, &#8220;opted-out&#8221; when they adopted two children.   He was laid off and she has spent the last year desperate to find work.  8 years of meaningful volunteer work both through her children&#8217;s schools and in professional societies unfortunately has not helped her resume.  I&#8217;m terrified of the same thing happening to me. Therefore I am continuing full-time work. Maybe if I were 15 years younger and the job market less precarious I&#8217;d feel I had more viable options.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca (Playground Confidential)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca (Playground Confidential)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this post. It is a struggle to find something that both feeds your soul and your bank account in general, but especially as a mother. I have a 3 year old and a 12 month old (and we might have one more) and since the cost of child care is prohibitive for us AND I want to be home for my children, I stay home. I do work part-time from home and also try to take advantage of this chance to work on projects that I find fulfilling and hope they can earn me a partial salary when my kids start school. I would love to be able to work from home for the rest of my life. That said, I have been thinking more and more about getting a real job. Benefits and financial independence and (perhaps) a more even split on the child-rearing, housekeeping front. Banks like to see salaries, too, not some formula of the potential cost of child care plus freelance income. But what make me happy? Being home with my kids but also living an intellectual life of my own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this post. It is a struggle to find something that both feeds your soul and your bank account in general, but especially as a mother. I have a 3 year old and a 12 month old (and we might have one more) and since the cost of child care is prohibitive for us AND I want to be home for my children, I stay home. I do work part-time from home and also try to take advantage of this chance to work on projects that I find fulfilling and hope they can earn me a partial salary when my kids start school. I would love to be able to work from home for the rest of my life. That said, I have been thinking more and more about getting a real job. Benefits and financial independence and (perhaps) a more even split on the child-rearing, housekeeping front. Banks like to see salaries, too, not some formula of the potential cost of child care plus freelance income. But what make me happy? Being home with my kids but also living an intellectual life of my own.</p>
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